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Hi.

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And welcome to Cause Pods. I’m your host, Mathew Passy, here at Cause Pods. We have one simple mission to highlight the amazing folks who are using podcast as a way to raise awareness for good causes and make the world a better place, whether it’s in their own local community or they’re taking on global issues. Please visit us at Cause pods. Org where you can learn about our guest show, their favorite charitable cause. Join our Facebook or with resources for Cause based podcasters and find a link where you yourself could be a guest here on Caspo again.

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Before we get started on this episode, just a small Disclaimer. Some of the topics that you might be hearing about, some of the conversations that we’re going to have could be sensitive could be triggering for some folks. So as you listen to this, please just take care. And if you need help, please seek help. But with that being said, we are are very excited to be joined by Asia Rain today out in Salt Lake City, Utah. She is the host and creator of the Letters to the People Podcast.

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And there’s a podcast that’s offering a realistic insight into the world. That where some folks have experienced such terrible, terrible things like satanic, ritual, torture, human trafficking, human experimentation and cult abuse. And having heard that, now you understand why we offer this Disclaimer. Asia, thank you so much for joining us here in Cabo to talk about such a serious and sensitive topic.

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Thank you for the invitation. I really appreciate it, Matthew.

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Why is this your cause? How much of it are you willing to share about what got you involved in wanting to launch this podcast and talk about these types of traumas that people have experienced?

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Wow, this has really been a journey for me out the gate. The reason I’m passionate about this is because it’s my own story. This is something that happened to me and was born into a cult, ritual, family dynamic and so from birth conditioning we started and things were just part of what my growing up was. As I got older and as I, I found myself in therapy, basically, when I was 37 years old, I really didn’t understand the depth and the magnitude of what this was. And as I was going through my process of healing was continually feeling like I was the only one that I was crazy, that the memories that we’re surfacing and that I was actively excavating from my own subconscious where we’re so heinous and so horrendous that I just I wasn’t really sure what to do with them.

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The thing that was so powerful for me, though, in my own journey was the fact that I did stay with this and I did as I was healing. And as I was recovering memories as I was having body memories, as I was having emotional experiences with my therapist and with this witness that was very prepared to hold space and allow this process to really roll forward the way it was going to naturally roll forward. I became different. Like what was going on was manias that I had were dissipating and going away, rage that I harbored disappeared and other behavioral patterns, other things that I experienced, other body pains and issues that I thought were just part of my life disappeared.

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And so the evidence that was going on inside of me was really the motivation and was actually more than the mental chatter and the mental mania that it was causing. So I was having my own version of a cognitive dissonance what was going on as I was recovering these memories, and I was getting so many details, and I was getting so many things that connected so well and answered other questions that even that was validating. But it still didn’t. It still didn’t eliminate the fact that after some of these sessions would not only go home exhausted, but I was just going home really kind of, like, bewildered and shocked.

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And I really wanted to be validated. So with that kind of background as I went through my healing process, and it spanned a number of years, the details with which I was picking them up and the way that the ceremonies that I was actually remembering came together and how cohesive it was, I started to realize that these are details that I wanted to share with other people, and the main motivation was just to validate people to validate others that would have this experience, because in my memories, there are always other children.

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I mean, there are times that I was actually isolated and I was focused on. But when these ceremonies would actually be held, there were a lot of other children there. There were a lot of other victims there that weren’t children, adult youth. And so that was also evidence that there were plenty of other people that if they were still alive, they would be experiencing some of the same things I was. And I just wanted to be able to say, hey, look, you know what? This is a real deal.

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This is a real thing. And yet I didn’t really have a way to do it. So at first I was going to write a book, and I still actually have something in process right now. But even that’s evolved. And then as soon as I started understanding how effective podcasts can be, that was what I found to be really motivating and welcoming for me to use as a platform to have people access as they can, as they might be able to turn it off and on if they needed to, if they were getting triggered just to feel validated.

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So that’s kind of the motive behind all of that. It was my story.

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I’m curious, because part of your platform is used to help others tell their story and open up, expose others to these worlds that many will be shocked and appalled to find out exist. But in fact, that they do. But given the kind of skepticism that you had, even of your own memories, like some of the trying to validate, is this what I really remember? Is this what happened? Like, how do you know when you’re talking to someone that you’re in fact, getting someone who really went through these kinds of trauma versus someone looking for attention, someone just trying to possibly even just have fun with a serious topic like this?

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That’s a really good question. And I appreciate you asking that there are patterns that come with even the verbiage. There are there’s even an attitude or an energy, maybe an aura. People might understand that better when I have somebody that I’m talking to with these kinds of experiences, there’s a hush that begins with the conversation. It’s almost like I can tell that somebody is going to start accessing their own courage to say more than well, yeah, I’ve got this too. Or I have this experience you can kind of tell actually, you can tell when somebody starts into the okay, now I’m going to open up and be vulnerable.

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And I’m going to share something that’s even a little deeper. And as it goes into that deeper space, there are there are words and there are phrases, and there’s even things that could be very triggering to an individual that hasn’t gone through a lot of their own therapy or their own healing modalities that definitely come up. And so if somebody’s going to try and make something up, and maybe I think that’s what I’m hearing you asking is if somebody’s going to try and make something up, then there’s plenty of cinema out there that could be accessed and that you could kind of create something from really violent and very gory movies that you could build off of.

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And yet there is a difference between somebody really talking surface level and being in an action or an acting place versus someone that is really has really been there. Now I’m going to also say that I have witnessed and been in conversation with people that have even when they get into a vulnerable place, and they start telling a little bit more about what happened to them. I would say because of the work that I’ve done when they hit a ceiling, when they hit their own limit of what they’ve remembered or what they’re familiar with.

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That’s also clear, because then the story begins to kind of cycle on itself and the individual gets kind of caught in the story and identifies with the story. And so that’s also something that is part of the patterning. And I don’t judge it. I can just kind of start seeing the limitations and the limits that are there. And I know this because I went through the same thing. There was a period of time where and when I say, a period of time. I would say a few years, actually, where I was still working through maybe some resentment and anger and, oh, my gosh, this really happened to me.

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And I’m so angry at at these individuals, at this Church, at this organization, at my family or whatever. I was kind of stuck in, and I had to talk about it, and I didn’t have a big audience to talk to with wasn’t talking to my family because my family were my perpetrator, so I couldn’t access them. I couldn’t talk to my my in laws because this was just so bizarre anyway. And so I had to be really careful who I spoke with. And and so sometimes I would just it’s almost like I would leak out a little bit to my husband or maybe a leak out a little bit to my kids.

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But I had to be careful with that, too, because the way this organization and the way the blood cults work, especially in the religion that I’m familiar with is my marriage was arranged. And so even though I wasn’t familiar or even aware of that, because some of the methods of the mind control that are used, you’re not necessarily knowing that you’re following instructions. You kind of think that it’s your own original thought, but the marriage was arranged so that as you get a couple of people together and they start having children, then both sides of the family have access kind of an immediate access pool to more victims.

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So it stays within families and it stays within communities and it stays. It’s an easier way to keep it perpetual and keep it underground. And so I had to be careful with what I said to my children or even to my husband of the time, because I did not want to front load them. I didn’t want to give them details, tell us something that maybe they had access to their own experience and have them disbelieve it just because I was saying, yeah, this is what I saw.

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This is what my experience was. So I had to navigate, really, even working with myself and how I was telling my story to myself or how I was censoring myself or not. And so there’s a process that an individual is through when they are recovering memories of not just experiencing it physically, emotionally and mentally. But then as you are kind of integrating it into your life and into your world, the telling of it is also very important. And so one of the ways that I really helped myself, and this is when I would go home, I would be in my therapy sessions for an hour to 2 hours.

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Typically, it was 2 hours, and then I would take the cassette tape home and I would transcribe them. So that meant I was listening to myself again and witnessing myself and then writing about it. And so that’s one of the ways I was able to really kind of get this process to really throw away without getting super stuck in the retail of it so that it could be integrated. So to be able to tell if somebody’s making something up or somebody’s in a space of recounting something that happened to them, I can tell the difference.

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And sometimes it’s really nuanced. But I’m not too worried about having somebody come up and say, hey, I’m just going to make up this story and see if I can kind of share it or infiltrate or do something like that, because if you’re referring to having people share their stories on the podcast, I do have an intake form, and there is some screening that happens. And I want to have that platform available so that the stories that are shared can be helpful.

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It’s hard enough to experience what you experienced combat what you have to combat. And we were talking a little bit before we jumped on still live in that community, and given the power of the organization that you have had troubles with in the past, how hard was it to decide to put this out there publicly, to create something that would be published online for the whole world to see, for even your neighbors and friends and folks who you would have to pass by on a regular basis, who could know what you’re doing.

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See in here, how are you able to overcome that and decide this was worth to take all those chances?

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I have wanted to be able to validate people and just kind of hold the presence. That kind of says, yeah, you know, I understand. And yet there’s the community of people that have experienced. This is really fragmented. I mean, the whole focus of what happens in blood rituals, in the mind, control, in the human experimentation and trafficking. There’s a lot of fragmenting that happens in an individual’s mind, and it’s done not only as a biological and a mental defense or reaction, but also it’s a focused desire.

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It’s actually something that is designed to happen, because if you are a fractured individual, you’re more easily controlled. And so to really separate an individual from themselves, effectively separate them from their community, from their family, from their God, from their whatever spiritualities to be able to shatter, that is really the goal. And so part of gathering that back is going through the process of not only recognizing and seeing what it was that helped the created that shattering, but then really being in conversation with yourself to bring that back together.

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So because it’s so fragmented, this community that is affected so heavily by the Satanic ritual abuse in a religious community or even any community, it takes a while to find each other. And so when I started out wanting just to be a presence for a group of people, I recognize that that wasn’t there. So then I thought, Well, I write a book and even writing it was an interesting journey because I’ve started this book a number of times, and each time the overtone began with a lot of anger, and I’m not there anymore.

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So I’m glad that that book never really got completed, because I can actually approach this from a really more balanced standpoint and with a lot more wisdom to get to a place where I could actually speak about. It took a couple of years, and I was invited to be on a couple of shows back in 220 19. I was on one, and at the time I was using a pseudonym because I was just really very afraid of being identified. There are a lot of people that would be very offended by what my story is, and it’s going to threaten their belief system and threaten a belief system is basically very much intertwined and woven in a person’s identity.

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So it’s very personally threatening to hear that the religious leaders that you have thought and have believed have been leading a congregation, leading a worldwide organization in ways that are aligned with divinity and with God and to come back and say, Actually, they’re doing the complete opposite of that. That is a really different and difficult thing to hear. So there’s going to be a lot of pushback. So my thought was, Well, I probably ought to have a pseudonym. Well, it was probably about a year later.

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I recognize that I needed to really just use my own name and step out as who I am, and that requires some inner work as well. So it’s kind of like this layering that has gone on with my own self healing work. So I was in formal therapy with a psychotherapist for eight and a half years. And then since then, I have been doing a continuation of healing that is accessed similar modalities that I was using when I was in that formal therapy setting, and I’ve used alternative methods.

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But one of the things that came up really huge when I knew that I needed to use my name was another layer of exposure and another layer of fear and another layer of mistrust that hadn’t been really Pope yet. There’s these raw places in trauma that we just kind of Peel back layers and go in a very natural manner the way we can. It’s a very organic and individual process. But I’d never really been faced with the idea of having to speak out about it and have my face on a podcast.

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And once that was presented to me, I had to work through that, and it took me a couple of months to work through that. And that was a real powerful process. And it was also really empowering to me to actually say, okay, I’m ready, I can do this. I’m going to put my face out there. I’m going to put my name out there, and I’m going to get aggressive and active, and that actually just kind of let that spark and allowed me to step in and say, yes, this is how I’m doing it.

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So the question that you asked is, how long did that take? I would say it took a number of years to get to this space to be able to say, Here I am on a podcast, and I’m here I’m here to really talk about this.

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What has been the response to the show as far as the people who you’ve had on and your audience, this is not a global audience, right? This is very sensitive discussion. These are very delicate topics. But for the people who are listening, they must have either some relationship to this kind of trauma or relationship to others who have dealt with this kind of trauma. Have you gotten a lot of feedback and response from guests and listeners and what has been the impact of putting out this content for them to relate to?

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You know, I have had a lot of feedback, and I want to address something that you said really quickly. You said that this is not a global audience, and I’m going to tell you that it is a global audience or it can be a global audience because this phenomena, that’s probably the wrong word. But this kind of activity is global. And so hopefully this does reach a global audience. I do have listeners up in Canada, and I do have listeners here in the United States. But to address your question, my guess have always been very happy to be able to be on the show and to be able to tell what their experiences have been.

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I also have interviews with advocates, and each time they’ve been like, oh, my goodness. This is such a great way to be able to talk about something that in other audiences and other circumstances, we really can’t. But this I have people that have talked to me about this. And now I get to say, hey, check out this podcast, the audience that does come to me, and the feedback that I have gotten from listeners has been, I know somebody I can share this with, or would you be willing to have me as a guest on there, or I think I know somebody that would be really good for you to know and talk to.

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And so the networking has been really interesting because it’s kind of growing in its own organic manner. This is an underground community only because it hasn’t been spoken about and because people don’t really want to believe that this exists. Like, if you really think about, I like to kind of frame it in the idea of, like, go back to the medieval times, think about all the Dungeons and all the torture Chambers and that kind of thing and then just realize that never went away. It only just got refined and better.

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And that’s what we’re working with. And it’s really kind of hard to swallow that and yet there are people that listen to this and they’re like, oh my gosh, yes. Yeah. I think, goodness, this is out there. And so the positive responses have been greater than those that would be cynical or a little combative at the moment. I think mainly because anybody that’s cynical right now is just kind of like, I would like to think they’re actually in a consideration space where they could actually take this and go, Well, maybe.

00:23:23.090 – Speaker 3
And if they hit a place in themselves where it’s just too much, then that cynicism or that combativeness would definitely have an outlet to come my direction. What I would love to propose to people, though, is this idea if they find themselves kind of bumping up against this and just going, yeah, right. Whatever. You know, I would actually ask them to sit with it, kind of put both their hands out in front of them and say, okay, what if this is real? Like, what if this is true and what if this is just made up?

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So if it’s just made up, life continues as it is and you’re really not going to be scaled, it’s not going to bother you. But if this is real and you really have to take a moment to sit with it and you just sit with it, you don’t have to do anything with it at all. But if you just sit with the fact that you just gave yourself a moment to consider that this is a real thing and and I am my experience really happened in it.

00:24:24.560 – Speaker 3
It was a continual experience until I got into therapy. What does that do for you? And then you get to answer that. You get to evaluate it. But at least you gave yourself a moment to believe something that you are trying to disbelieve or push away. And that kind of acknowledgement balances out community in a way that soften the edges and maybe brings us a little closer together where we really want to just kind of create a rift and even that ceiling.

00:24:56.020 – Speaker 2
Well, for folks who are hearing this and want to learn more, listen more. Hear some of these stories, hear the depth of trauma that there that folks have experienced very recently. We would certainly encourage you to go check out letters to the People. Com there. You can obviously find the episodes. You can become a sponsor or you can just donate to help the cause directly. You can also check out Asia rain. Com that’s Asia R-A-I-N-E. Com. It’s a jewelry store with some really lovely stuff, and I’m assuming some of the proceeds of those sales would go to the show as part of your appearance here on the show, we are always asking people about the charities and the causes that they want to support that we can lend our voices to.

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And today you are. You are bringing attention to the survivors of childhood sex abuse organization, the SCA it is. Csa. Org. Org will have a link, obviously to the website in the show notes and wherever you’re listening to your podcast. But can you tell us a little bit about what CSA does and how you’re involved with them?

00:26:09.640 – Speaker 3
Csa, I am on the board of directors, and that is just fairly recent. We just were awarded the five one, three can now actually operate as a nonprofit. Basically, CSA is an advocacy and support organization for victims and survivors of childhood sex abuse, and that is a really wide gamut, but it is there to create and hold a container for people that are wanting to connect with others of similar background. Sesa offers resources and support free of charge, basically to victims and survivors. It’s a new organization just got off the ground in January of this year of 2021, and it was created from a situation that happened that affected 40 people.

00:27:05.340 – Speaker 3
At the story behind it was kind of complex, but they all decided to come together and create something that could really be solid and authentic for them. The organization was official in February. And then, like I said, we just received our approval for the nonprofit status. It’s basically there to empower victims and working through being a victim and moving into being a survivor is a journey. It can be whatever it is, but we’re trying to move space and hold space for people to thrive. We’ve got support groups that meet on Saturdays.

00:27:53.770 – Speaker 3
There’s men support groups and women support groups. We don’t mix the groups because we really feel that being able to speak freely is part of a healing process. And so we don’t necessarily have mixed company. But if you want to go to the website, then you can actually find out more about Sesa. One of the things that CSA did that I think is really fabulous. This year. In June, they actually helped a bill go through in the state of Louisiana where they have completely eliminated the statute of limitations for victims of childhood sex abuse, which is pretty profound.

00:28:35.060 – Speaker 3
What it used to be in the state Louisiana, is that the bill called for a 35 year window, and that didn’t necessarily cover all victims of childhood sex abuse. And now that they have eliminated that statute, they’ve also included a three year retro look back window, which covers all survivors and victims of childhood six of us. So that’s pretty profound. We can actually now have this bill to refer to for other States to reference, so that statutes of limitations on any kind of childhood sex abuse can be looked at and brought to justice where they normally couldn’t be in in certain States, depending on which state you’re in.

00:29:23.640 – Speaker 3
These statutes make it. So you definitely have to be a child that reports your own abuse and then has evidence behind it. And it’s almost ludicrous because children they’re not going to they’re not going to tell anyway, because of the psychological punishment and also the coercion and manipulation that’s going on. But then they want proof. And it’s like, what child is going to walk into a situation, Mike, or with a little camera. It’s just kind of ludicrous how criminal justice system is set up that doesn’t necessarily support victims.

00:29:59.490 – Speaker 3
It’s a criminal justice system that supports the criminal. Eventually, I would love to be able to have that addressed. And I would really love to be part of a movement eventually. Is this kind of game momentum. The change is that where that does not need to be the case. And it is actually a system that can listen to and start believing the victims. Because in all honesty, when I was going through this process, this is not what any victim wants to be known for. I mean, I would much rather be known as, I don’t know, the first woman to scale Mount Everest or do something really profound and exciting and cool.

00:30:37.400 – Speaker 3
And people go, yeah, that’s great. Instead, I’m stepping out and saying, I was a victim of Satanic ritual and cult mind control and torture. And I mean, it’s unsavory. It’s not something that I want to just waive a banner and say, yeah, please know me for this. And yet at the same time, that is really what I want to put a stake in the ground over and say, Look, I’m not the only one. I’m not the only one here, but I do know that I’ve taken a lot of time to heal, and I have gone through a process where my healing is thorough enough that I can actually talk about this and not be triggered, that I can hold space for people and not be triggered, and I have resources and the abilities to be able to say, look, you know, not only am I going to validate you, but I can let you know that your journey is worth it.

00:31:24.500 – Speaker 3
And so that to me, is really valuable. And maybe that is like scaling amount Everest of sorts. And I’m willing to do that step 1ft at a time and blaze a trail.

00:31:36.430 – Speaker 2
Well, I think we can all agree and are very sorry that you had to go through what you went through and that anybody has to go through these kinds of traumas in their life, especially as children. But I think we are all grateful that someone like you was out there standing up, being brave, scaling this Mount Everest to try and put a stop to it, to try and help those who have suffered from and to try and get shine a light on what is a very, very, very dark corner that still exists in our society that I think we can all agree is just horrific and terrible.

00:32:18.950 – Speaker 2
And so again, for anybody who is hearing this, who wants to learn more first, go check out letters to the people com there. You can listen to the episode subscribe to the show. Also, if you want to get a little bit more involved and combat this, the Scascs. Org. Org is the website to check out and Asia. It has been eye opening and a pleasure having you here today on Cause Pods. Thank you so much.

00:32:47.280 – Speaker 3
Thank you so much, Mathew.

00:32:49.550 – Speaker 1
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00:33:37.290 – Speaker 1
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